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Spawning Rank - Jamourous - 2014-02-09
Can we at least trial an 'Apply and get item spawning' idea? If it pisses people off in a month, and makes no difference, get rid of it, but if it makes a difference in the incidence of illegal item spawning, we should reopen a discussion to keep it. This problem is going to escalate and become more hurtful to the community, the more we keep it around.
Spawning Rank - xXSlurpieXx - 2014-02-09
Jamourous wrote:Can we at least trial an 'Apply and get item spawning' idea? If it pisses people off in a month, and makes no difference, get rid of it, but if it makes a difference in the incidence of illegal item spawning, we should reopen a discussion to keep it. This problem is going to escalate and become more hurtful to the community, the more we keep it around.
Hmm, I'm torn between the "Start with it, lose it if you abuse it" and "You earn what you deserve" concepts.
If they start with the commands no matter what, the donation seems more appealing, meaning it's more likely for people to buy it.
If they earn it later, there's no guarantee when they donate they get it. This may cause hesitation.
"You are innocent until proven guilty."
I'm on the side of people getting the ranks posted under the rank commands now, and being able to lose them.
Then comes the next question. IF we do implement this, if they break ANY rule will they lose their item spawning privileges, or just rules broken having to do with item spawning?
Spawning Rank - zombielover99 - 2014-02-10
xXSlurpieXx wrote:Jamourous wrote:Can we at least trial an 'Apply and get item spawning' idea? If it pisses people off in a month, and makes no difference, get rid of it, but if it makes a difference in the incidence of illegal item spawning, we should reopen a discussion to keep it. This problem is going to escalate and become more hurtful to the community, the more we keep it around.
Hmm, I'm torn between the "Start with it, lose it if you abuse it" and "You earn what you deserve" concepts.
If they start with the commands no matter what, the donation seems more appealing, meaning it's more likely for people to buy it.
If they earn it later, there's no guarantee when they donate they get it. This may cause hesitation.
"You are innocent until proven guilty."
I'm on the side of people getting the ranks posted under the rank commands now, and being able to lose them.
Then comes the next question. IF we do implement this, if they break ANY rule will they lose their item spawning privileges, or just rules broken having to do with item spawning?
I agree with Jesse %110 on this.
It won't be something you want to buy if you have no guarantee you'll get the commands you want. Therefore you may want to include the commands from thr start, but also have the ability to take them away if rules are broken. And they'll lose the commands they abused, if they abused /fly /i won't be effected at all.
Just my 2 cents, if it matters.
Spawning Rank - Metazard - 2014-02-10
If it was easy to track people spawning in items there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Thus it makes the 'Strike and you're out' rule
xXSlurpieXx wrote:Metazard wrote:challenger410 wrote:Chill out xD You are fighting for something that no one else seems to want. only 5 or six people have over 3000 posts, and not all of them are staff material. Inspiron better hop on giving one of us owner, because he hasn't hit that milestone either.
No else wants it because they're all donors and they don't want to lose their commands, lol.
Chris, you can't talk right now. I guarantee you'd be arguing it too if you were a donation rank.
It isn't your fault, but this irritated me, a lot more than it probably should have. I've been told some bad news it's really late and I'm sick of this topic so I apologize in advance if it comes out badly -
First of all, I can talk and please don't say that I can't. I'd be happy to lose both spawning commands for the sake of the server because it's obvious that it's hindering the productivity and progress of our server. In fact I'd rather be banned if I was sure this server would be better than any other.
I need creative mode to edit spawn (Which can be shown as I for one changed it to a Christmas theme and two I removed the glow stone roof substantially removing lag from the spawn.) That's pretty much all I want from it. This game is large and there are many mechanics to it, as anyone who watches a mind cracker would know. I'd be content with doing those. Survival is fun.
If I were a donation rank I would still be looking ahead because I'm me and that's my nature, to be weary of where I step and to always be cautious. Don't ever pin 'Administrator' to my name.
I'm not an Admin, I'm me! I'm Chris. I think have feelings thoughts and ideas and thus I would still have the same opinion.
I'm opinionated and annoying and you can hate me if you want but I'm still me so don't say 'If you were this' or 'If you were that'.
You mentioned something that mainly applies to real life: "Innocent until proven guilty"
Alright, let's play it that way
1. You should never be able to buy power
2. Power shouldn't be given to any random person
3. Power should never be able to put one person over another, we are all equals
4. Money should always be hard to get, if it wasn't, the economy is busted and everyone would live off the doll.
I could go on for a while, so could anyone else studying economy.
Speaking of economy and real life symbolism, you're getting your needs and wants mixed up.
Most of us say things like 'I need the latest technology' when in fact, we don't.
You do not by any means need the commands, how ever if kittens, Tobi or any other staff member didn't have jail , /gm 1 etc. it'd make the server hard to maintain.
I might rethink my position on this topic if you can give me 5 good reasons you NEED those commands.
If you're wondering when I'll give this up, well, I love debating and I have a good 10 years left in me .-.
Well, that's my 11:40 P.M. School Night Head-Ache while writing filled post for the year.
Yay
Spawning Rank - tobiii1004 - 2014-02-10
xXSlurpieXx wrote:Metazard wrote:challenger410 wrote:Chill out xD You are fighting for something that no one else seems to want. only 5 or six people have over 3000 posts, and not all of them are staff material. Inspiron better hop on giving one of us owner, because he hasn't hit that milestone either.
No else wants it because they're all donors and they don't want to lose their commands, lol.
Chris, you can't talk right now. I guarantee you'd be arguing it too if you were a donation rank.
"You can't talk right now"
That was disrespectful, honestly, but I know the point you are arguing...
The argument for why Donors "need" staff commands is pretty flimsy to be honest. In the future I think staff commands will be removed altogether from donation ranks and I don't think that's something we can avoid. But, I agree with Chris. For the responsible donors, it sucks because it only takes one irresponsible idiot to ruin it. That's everything. And I do think perhaps a trial of staff commands for a slightly different rank would be helpful.
Spawning Rank - deahtworlds - 2014-02-10
tobiii1004 wrote:xXSlurpieXx wrote:Metazard wrote:
No else wants it because they're all donors and they don't want to lose their commands, lol.
Chris, you can't talk right now. I guarantee you'd be arguing it too if you were a donation rank.
"You can't talk right now"
That was disrespectful, honestly, but I know the point you are arguing...
The argument for why Donors "need" staff commands is pretty flimsy to be honest. In the future I think staff commands will be removed altogether from donation ranks and I don't think that's something we can avoid. But, I agree with Chris. For the responsible donors, it sucks because it only takes one irresponsible idiot to ruin it. That's everything. And I do think perhaps a trial of staff commands for a slightly different rank would be helpful.
Chineseboy
Spawning Rank - zombielover99 - 2014-02-10
deahtworlds wrote:tobiii1004 wrote:xXSlurpieXx wrote:Chris, you can't talk right now. I guarantee you'd be arguing it too if you were a donation rank.
"You can't talk right now"
That was disrespectful, honestly, but I know the point you are arguing...
The argument for why Donors "need" staff commands is pretty flimsy to be honest. In the future I think staff commands will be removed altogether from donation ranks and I don't think that's something we can avoid. But, I agree with Chris. For the responsible donors, it sucks because it only takes one irresponsible idiot to ruin it. That's everything. And I do think perhaps a trial of staff commands for a slightly different rank would be helpful.
Chineseboy
What?
Spawning Rank - deahtworlds - 2014-02-10
He's a SD from a while back that removed a lot of privileges for being stupid.
Spawning Rank - xXSlurpieXx - 2014-02-10
My comment wasn't intended to be rude, but I do see now that it had been taken that way.
I was just saying from your stand point it must be different. I put myself in your shoes, but they weren't the correct shoe size. (Metaphorically)
Sorry, bout that. I mean it.
Next. Any random person SHOULDN'T be able to buy power. That's why I mentioned people having to get Trusted before they can donate for a spawning rank. (Or have that certain amount of credibility)
Spawning Rank - Jamourous - 2014-02-10
xXSlurpieXx wrote:Any random person SHOULDN'T be able to buy power. That's why I mentioned people having to get Trusted before they can donate for a spawning rank. (Or have that certain amount of credibility)
I repeat...
Jamourous wrote:Can we at least trial an 'Apply and get item spawning' idea? If it pisses people off in a month, and makes no difference, get rid of it, but if it makes a difference in the incidence of illegal item spawning, we should reopen a discussion to keep it. This problem is going to escalate and become more hurtful to the community, the more we keep it around.